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Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs
Last post 07-06-2009 4:39 PM by dressagewoman. 10 replies.
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  • 01-08-2009 5:40 PM

    Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

    Hi everyone,

    I am just getting started in the world of PMC.  I ahve been making jewelry for a while and I also have some experience in PC.  Now I want to expand into metal clay and maybe eventually combine all three.  Here is what I need from you:

    Any advice on getting started?

    What tools and supplies will I need to just get started?  (I saw a great starter kit on Rings&Things for 68.00.  I think I'll get that and build around it.  Good idea?)

    What are some other web sites that have a good seletion and who has the best prices on these supplies?

    Thanks in advance, everyone.  I'm so excited.  I can't wait to get started, but it will probably be awhile because these supplies look like they're a little costly.

    Laura

  • 01-14-2009 3:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

     I'm not experienced, I'm less experienced than you are, but I got the Art Clay starter kit from Fire Mountain as a gift from my husband and it certainly seems to have almost everything I need to get started, including what's needed to torch fire small pieces.  I just need to bite the bullet and make something!

  • 02-23-2009 5:54 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

     I have been using the silver pmc3 for quite some time now and have learned a few things along the way. 

    Buy the syring of paste...it is east to handle and makes a nice clean connection.Get Burts Bee Balm or something similar.  Although olive oil does work as well, this seems to work better for me.  Get a pointed "clay shaper" tool. Those little rubber tips are perfect for smothing and joining small attachments.  The commercial clay paste and slip are far superior to anything you will make yourself so dont try to cut corners.  

     

    Good luck with your adventure and dont be afraid to ruin a piece.  I have a ton of "lessons" I intend to melt down and needle or water cast.

  • 02-23-2009 8:06 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

     I am NOT very experienced, did PMC once and it was 3 years ago. BUT, Cool Tools has lots of great stuff. remember to plan out your design ahead of time because the clay dries quickly (especially since you are used to polymer clay) and it can be sticky and messy to rewet. you might want to start out with bronze clay because it's so much less expensive.

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  • 02-24-2009 4:38 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for all of the great ideas.  Since I posted these questions, I have gone ahead and made a couple of pieces.  OMG, PMC is NOTHING like PC.  It takes quite a bit more practice and patience.  I'm not going to give up on it, but my metal pieces will be few and far between my PC pieces. 

    Lori, yes, I love Cool Tools!  I have already ordered stuff from them.  Their antique molds are fabulous.  I have two so far, but I plan on getting more.  They make beautiful pendants (with PC, especially).

    Laura

  • 02-24-2009 5:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

    Laura, I'm very curious in what way you are finding PMC more difficut that PC.   Is it mostly the shorter working time, or are their other attributes you are finding difficult. 

    I find PC a lot more difficult than convincing wire to coil coyly, so now I'm really scared!

  • 02-24-2009 8:05 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

     omg, I have to chime in... I find PMC much more difficult that polymer clay. it dries out really fast. it gets gooey when you add water to soften it up again. it cracks. it shrinks so you need to factor that into your plans. it's so expensive that screw ups hurt. you can't tell what it's going to look like when it's all shiny silver. that's about it... it's not forgiving like PC and you are on a time crunch. didn't like it at all but will try again some day.

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    Lori Mendenhall
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  • 02-24-2009 10:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

    DW,

    Ditto to everything Lori said.  And, one more thing:  Since PMC is so expensive, I am usually working with a very tiny piece and it's extremely frustrating when it doesn't do what I want or expect it to do.  My finished pieces have come out a little rough around the edges, but I suppose the more I work with it the better my pieces will be.  I am going to keep working with it, because I aspire to make some pieces that are as beautiful as some I have seen.  Have you seen Holly Gage's work?  She is an excellent example of someone who makes great PMC pieces.  My next piece is going to have a piece of titanium that I bought off of her website.  I feel extremely challenged by PMC and I like a challenge.

    Laura

  • 05-23-2009 10:46 AM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

    Hi all,  

    I've been working with PMC for almost three years now.    I started slow, because I found the cost intimidating, and I didn't want to waste any clay or money.    Mardel Rein at Cool Tools is a wonderful resource.  I have talked with her on different occasions and she has been very helpful.

     If you really like PMC, I would suggest that you take a certification class.   Once certified, there are additional discounts available for all your needs, including PMC and kilns.  

     Always have your idea "ready" when you start.   I only take out what I need, and keep the rest in a moisture laden container.  You can also get great templates from Michaels or Joanns for designs as well.    you can use antique buttons also (go antiquing!)  also,  look around your home - for different textures,... you'll be surprised how many things in your home might have a texture or design that you can use. i.e  some wine bottles have fancy embossing and look at your silverware patterns, and even perfume bottles.

    I have olive oil on my table all the time, and use it on my templates, work surface, and hands.  there's also badger balm.  it prevents the clay from sticking.    "c z's" add alot to the pieces as well.  Burts Bee's hand cream (in the purple tube) is great after working.    

    there have been times that something didn't turn out right, but I either built more upon the piece, or used it in an idea for something else.   don't throw anything away!!   broken pieces present a challenge, but use your creative force to design something abstract or unique from them.   I find that many women really like abstract pieces. 

    You mentioned rough edges.. make sure you sand down your dried piece prior to firing.   you can do this two ways - either sandpaper it down (be sure to do this over a container that will hold your sanded off particles).   I keep a  wide mouth "PMC" paste jar at all times, and have this under my pieces when I sand.   You can also take a little water to your finger and smooth it down.   be sure to let it dry properly though before you fire.   

    as a purist, I would suggest that you round out/finish  your pieces with sterling silver findings - clasps, toggles, etc., because you are working with and creating something of fine silver.   

    Kilns are pretty expensive, and initially I went to our local bead store, and paid to use their kiln.   Once I started selling, I eventually bought my own kiln.   

    I hope some of these tips help.    good luck! 

    Nancy,  

     

  • 05-23-2009 12:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

    MM,

    Thanks, great advice.  I haven't worked with PMC for awhile because of the cost.  I still have my piece of Titanium from Holly Gage that I want to set into a PMC focal.  Oh well, eventually the economy will improve and I'll start making PMC pieces again.  I do want to someday get a kiln because I would LOVE to work with the bronze clay.  It's much more affordable and I love the warmer metals anyway.  So, for now I'm mostly just doing beadwork.  I haven't even had a lot of time to work with any PC either.  I've been extremely busy setting up my Etsy site and getting stuff on there.  Also, it is gardening season, so my priorities have shifted for a time.  Thanks again for the great advice.  You definitely told me stuff I wasn't aware of.

    Laura

  • 07-06-2009 4:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Need help and advice from experienced PMC'rs

    OMG!  Lori, I now realize I lived EVERY word of this with my first attempts!  On top of that, I had a hard time making it feel like "mine".  My best piece was pretty pedestrian, a circle on top of a textured square with a  textured round buttony thing on top. I did get a usable bezel, but I think there must be a million similar out there!  I'd still like to develop facility with it, but I'm looking forward to breaking out the PC again.  It didn't behave impeccably, but at least it didn't laugh at me!  Torch firing is way fun, though.

    sparklebee:

     omg, I have to chime in... I find PMC much more difficult that polymer clay. it dries out really fast. it gets gooey when you add water to soften it up again. it cracks. it shrinks so you need to factor that into your plans. it's so expensive that screw ups hurt. you can't tell what it's going to look like when it's all shiny silver. that's about it... it's not forgiving like PC and you are on a time crunch. didn't like it at all but will try again some day.

     
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