I have to agree with the comments about Spider's DVDs.  I wanted to learn half Persian 4-1 and could not get it after looking at tutorial after tutorial.  I rented Spider's DVD #1 from Smartflix and was amazed at how easy she makes it look.  The DVD is very thorough and I've learned a lot from it but need to view it a couple of more times with rings in my hands.  I'm chomping at the bit to get the right sized rings so I can make something for real :)  (Now I have to figure out all that stuff about awg/swg/AR )

Iris