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14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?
Last post 08-24-2007 9:23 AM by Llisa. 7 replies.
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  • 07-21-2007 10:39 AM

    14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    Okay - I have 100 feet of this gauge and would like recommendations on a nice weave.  I'm a beginner so nothing to crazy. I was thinking of trying Snake Chain or Full Persian.  Would that be too chunky?  Also, please include which size mandrel.  I use the Pepe Jump Ringer System. My fav is 16g, 4.5mm Byzantine. Normally, I use 16g and 18g.  Thanks all, CC
  • 07-21-2007 11:51 AM In reply to

    Re: 14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    Full Persian in that gauge will indeed be very chunky, plus 100 ft may not make enough rings to make a chain long enough to wear. I don't know the name "snake chain", but so many weaves these days get re-named when an artist has a tutorial published or a book comes out, so I may very well know it by a different name. Still though, I would suggest simple Euro 4-1, using either a 1/4" or 17/64" mandrel to wind your rings. 17/64" would look just lovely, but it's not a very common mandrel size, unless you have a transfer punch set or do a whole lot of maille and have crazy rod sizes because you HAVE to have those .64" incriments, hehe. You have more than enough wire to make a bracelet 5-6 rows wide with 1/4" ID rings in E 4-1 I would think, and enough to make a choker 3-4 rows wide, probably with some rings to spare.

     Hope that helps some!

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  • 07-23-2007 9:22 PM In reply to

    Re: 14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    Ooo, just had another thought. Spiral chain would be a good one too, although a little chunky. I would go 19/64" or even 5/16".

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  • 07-29-2007 12:50 AM In reply to

    Re: 14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    I have made this chain for years using 14g/8mm rings. 

     http://derakon.chainmailstore.com/hp41.html

     It makes a beautiful and satisfying chain to wear.  When I learned to make it the teacher called it the Columbus chain.  It was everyones favorite to make.  It's well worth the effort to learn.

    Spider includes this chain on her Volume 1 DVD.  Her instructions are really easy to follow.

     

     

  • 07-29-2007 1:39 AM In reply to

    Re: 14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    I made a spiral bracelet in 14g, 6mm ID.  It was a bit chunky, but not too bad.  Unfortunately, I wore it to Hawaii while visiting my sister and I lost it in her house... and I don't expect her to find it. [=] Other than that, sparkle has a good idea with the half persian.  I've only made it in 18 and it's just so sweet I almost want to try it with a thicker gauge... now if only I can remember how to start it...

     Good luck and don't forget to show us what you make with it!!!
     

  • 08-19-2007 3:56 AM In reply to

    Re: 14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    I've never used 14g (biggest I've used is 18g) but I would think a variant of box or full persian, sterling and another color (ie anodized aluminum, say black) would be stunning.  Especially using 2 different ARs (ie 5mm in sterling and 6mm in the other color).  I almost always try to do persian weave with 2-3 colors so I have a nice design in each snippet of the weave.  Blue, green and brass looks VERY cool (blue on one side and green on the other, alternating, with the brass being in the same place all the time), I would think it would be very cool in sterling too.  I always use  5+ AR in all my weaves but I also use thinner wire than your 14g.  If you had 14g copper or something I would do some tests and see what works.

    Would love to see it when it's done!

    Angela

  • 08-24-2007 7:08 AM In reply to

    • Tatia
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    Re: 14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    I am quite new to the forum and also new to chain maille - only been doing beading so far. I am very excited with the "whole new world of chain maille" that I am discovering. I never realised that there are so many patterns and that everyone has a name. What does the 17/64", 1/4" stand for? I will post some of mine soon...

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  • 08-24-2007 9:23 AM In reply to

    • Llisa
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    Re: 14 Gauge Sterling - What to make?

    Sparklesweet said:

    "I have made this chain for years using 14g/8mm rings. 

     http://derakon.chainmailstore.com/hp41.html

     It makes a beautiful and satisfying chain to wear.  When I learned to make it the teacher called it the Columbus chain.  It was everyones favorite to make.  It's well worth the effort to learn."

     

    I think the more common name for this weave is Half Persian 4-1 (variants are Half Persian 3-1, 5-1 and even 6-1).  Whilst I agree that this is a great looking chain, I would politely suggest that the Half Persians are NOT beginner weaves.  Once you get going, Half Persians are fine but they're a beggar to get started and I'd hate to see you get discouraged.

    If you're looking for a real beginner weave, I'd suggest Euro 4-1 or Byzantine.  Here's a link to Zlosk's "recommended ARs" chart which also has a link to "everything you ever wanted to know about aspect ratio", just in case you need more info. on what aspect ratio means.  http://home.comcast.net/~zlosk/maille/artable.html  You'll note that Zlosk recommends an AR of around 3.5 for Byzantine and 4 for Euro 4-1.  Personally, I like my Euro a little tighter for jewellery (for clothing you want it a bit looser so it moves a bit).  I've made several Euro 4-1 pieces using rings with an AR of 3.6.  In 14g, Byzantine is definitely gonna be on the chunky size and even Euro won't be a light, delicate piece but that's just the nature of 14g.  

    To be on the safe side, once you know what ring size you want to use, I'd strongly recommend that you do some extra math and figure out whether or not you have enough wire to make your project.  Trust me, NOTHING is more frustrating than being 6 or so rings short!!!  If you don't have enough wire, then I'd suggest you buy more, make all your rings from the two different batches of wire and mix them together.  Wire is manufactured within certain tolerances and one batch may be very slightly thicker or thinner than another.  If you make rings from this slightly different wire and mix them up, when you weave your chain, the difference won't be obvious.  However, if you start with one kind of wire and then switch to another, the very slight different in wire thickness may be reflected in the weave and it could look odd.

    Tatia - 7/16, 1/4 etc. can refer to a couple of things: it's either the mandrel used to make the rings, the inner diameter of the ring or the outer diameter of the ring.  Many manufacturers use the mandrel size used to make their rings to refer to their ring sizes but the actual ring itself will be a teensy bit larger than the mandrel due to springback.  Different metals have different springback so a fine silver ring made on a 1/4" mandrel will be smaller than a stainless steel ring made on the exact same mandrel.  Most of the time, this isn't a big deal at all but if you're working with any of the more aspect-ratio (i.e. ring size) sensitive weaves such as Jens Pind or Dragonscale, springback can make the difference between your weave looking fabulous or being, quite literally, impossible to make at all.

    Hope this helps and do post pics when you're done!

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