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drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC
Last post 05-16-2008 7:04 AM by AdamH. 7 replies.
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  • 02-03-2008 6:56 AM

    • lbellabeads
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    drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

    Okay, this maybe a silly question for some....I still consider myself at either advanced beginner or intermediate level with PMC. Here are the questions: 1. can you drill your pmc piece after firing? I didn't know if this would cause cracking. 2. can you hammer a piece after firing maybe to add a hammered texture (I realize you should probably do this in its "workable" state), and 3. can you soder another silver element to pmc?

    Thanks a bunch :)

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  • 02-03-2008 10:00 AM In reply to

    • Bob G
    • Joined on 07-29-2007
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    Re: drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

    I think the answer is yes to all of your questions, with qualifications.  All of this must be done in the same manner as if you were a silversmith working with sterling or fine silver.  For example, you need silver solder (which comes in 4 different working temperatures).  Drilling, you should have a diamond bit.  Hammering - not sure, but it might have to be annealed first.  At any rate, you are right - do the texture before firing.

    As you can see, there is not a simple answer.

     

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  • 02-05-2008 4:15 PM In reply to

    • lbellabeads
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    Re: drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

    Thanks Bob for your help. You have confirmed what I thought but needed someone more knowledgable then I to tell me so.

    :) Linda

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  • 02-11-2008 1:29 PM In reply to

    Re: drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

    I don't consider myself an expert on metal clay, I do a lot of it in my limited capacity...I use PMC3, I Hot Pot fire it (twice for each pot).  I mainly make small charms and large hole "barrel" (?) beads.  I have had luck making tabs and shapes for charms, firing them, and then hammering metal stamps into them to make words.  Normally, I use my stamps, pre-firing, when I'm first working the clay.  That's my BEST way to create words and gives me a HUGE choice of fonts rather than my limited supply of metal stamps.  But I've found that sometimes I can make up tabs/charms in advance and then hammer custom names, etc for people.  If I'm too heavy-handed, a piece can crack, and then it's back to the drawing board.

    Sarah

  • 02-11-2008 6:37 PM In reply to

    Re: drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

    PMC is much more brittle and pourous than fine silver or sterling. You can drill, hammer and solder but it is more difficult. A couple of tips. When you drill metal clay, DO NOT mark it with an automatice center punch. It will crack; every time. Learned that the hard way. You need to mark gently with a traditional center punch. Start with a small drill and work larger. I avoid hammering PMC, but if I need to do so it is best to burnish a LOT before hammering.

    As to solder, metal clay soaks up solder. You need to use more solder than you would with traditional metals. Again, burnish a LOT in the area you intend to solder before soldering.

    I hope this helps.

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  • 02-28-2008 10:07 AM In reply to

    • AdamH
    • Joined on 11-29-2007
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    Re: drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

    Good advise from the other posts, I know theres a good article about soldering PMC at http://www.cooksongold.com/category/Precious-Metal-Clay/ in there knowledgebase.   I was having trouble soldering and it helped, the adivse in the previous post about PMC being more absorbant than standard silver is really true, really hard to get used to when your used to using a little on 'normal' silver.

  • 02-29-2008 7:29 AM In reply to

    • poledra
    • Joined on 11-01-2006
    • Bracknell - UK
    • Posts 27

    Re: drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

     Hi Adam

    Do you still have a copy of that data sheet as I have looked on the cooksons web site and can not find it.

     I will be soldering some ASC to Sterling shortly and it would be a great help to see the data sheet.

     

    Jenny
     

  • 05-16-2008 7:04 AM In reply to

    • AdamH
    • Joined on 11-29-2007
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    Re: drilling, hammering, sodering with PMC

    Sorry for the delay problems with my computer/email, links to solder articles on cooksongold

     http://portal.knowledgebase.net/article.asp?article=255136&p=11047

    and from another article from cooksons I think I cant find the link.

     Is the piece suitable for hand torch firing?When deciding how to fire a piece consider its weight.  Pieces weighing 25g or less are ideal of for torch firing, but also consider that your piece should be of a relatively even thickness for torch firing to work effectively.  If your piece is of complex nature kiln firing is recommended to ensure even heat distribution. Preparation before firingBefore starting to fire its worth considering the preparation of your working area.  Make sure that you work in a well ventilated room, and that you have a dedicated area for soldering.  Ensure that you have a heat proof surface i.e. soldering sheet, and then place a soldering block on top to work on.  Plus consider you own safety with glasses, apron and tweezers and even protective gloves on hard to protect you whilst working. Test firingThe first time you torch fire clay, practice on a small piece to watch how the clay reacts to the heat, and to practice the firing process.   Preparation of the clayBefore you fire ensure you are happy with the shape and detail of your piece and that the piece is complete dry, as excess moisture will turn into steam causing the clay to expand or crack.   If your piece contains gemstone, shells, or even findings consider how this will react to direct heat. Firing the PMCOnce ignited adjust the torch flame so the flame is around 6cm, and the blue inner flame is around 4cm.  Hold the torch at 45 degree, about 5cm away from the piece using the outer flame first to warm and then bring closer to increase the heat, ensure you keep the torch moving keeping the flame on the piece.  First the binder will begin to smoke and then flame, burning away.  The clay will be then exposed and begin to glow red/orange (at sintering temperature). At this point continue firing the piece for 2-4 minutes depending on its size, be careful not to over fire the piece –if the piece beings to look shiny (indicating the surface is starting to melt) then move the torch away to reduce the heat. Once heated the particles fuse together and form a solid dense metal, and PMC3 only shrinks around 6% of its original size.  To complete the process let the piece cool down to room temperature.  Once fired silver PMC 3 becomes fine i.e. 99.9% pure - and can be hallmarked as fine silver.

     

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