I've had the same problems with the tarnex and copper. At first I thought it was going to be great. My copper chainmaille was beautiful after a quick dip in the Tarnex...but after using it a few times...my copper is now dull and almost a matt finish. My tumbler won't even shine the copper up. I'm thinking that the tarnex must do some permanant damage to the copper. When I wear copper, it turns dark on my skin before the day is out. I thought tarnex was the answer, but I guess not. I'm now using the vinegar and salt.